This is a random encounter and after dispatching the Cultist, the player can then loot a book off of the Cultist's corpse which. He usually opens the encounter with a mage armor spell and then follows it up with thunderbolt or incinerate until an enemy gets close. Dead thralls give new meaning to the phrase "Pack Mule", since they can hold (theoretically) an infinite amount of items. Sometimes it's entertaining to watch Fultheim the Fearless (P) say, "Must....Kill...." His body is not supposed to reset and neither is the dungeon, but I wouldn't risk leaving him alone in Rannveig's Fast for a long time, as I've had him disappear in an earlier play through. All other places will just have their belongings placed inside an unnamed coffin or urn. She is only permanent if grave robbed. You do not have to worry about storing bodies in your house. as the kill cam plays. If you thrall is still there once you get back, there is a really good chance that your thrall is permanent. Test it out in game if you don't believe me. Sometimes he couples it with Incinerate and sometimes he just wants to dual cast it. The best way to do this is: If they are still there, and you have patch 1.9, congratulations, that corpse is more than likely permanent. Atronachs have useful attributes, marred by downright physical weakness. As a thrall, he is particularly powerful. Pinewatch is located in-between Helgen and Falkreath. All comments are anonymous. Some stats listed below have a tilde ( ~ ) next to the number. The NPCs are programmed with poor pathing AI, so that means anytime you jump over a rock, they will have to find a way around. They have trouble crossing rivers, and even sometimes, they will not zone through some doors that lead into dungeons. The second way an NPC can potentially behave is, the NPC won't be hostile towards the player, even if they were normally hostile towards the player while they were alive. He is also a chatty Cathy, so he may grate on your nerves quicker than other thralls. Which one he will cast, I don't know), Frostbite (8pts of DPS which he can and will dual cast for 2.2x damage), Invisibility (rarely casts this and it's usually only up for a second or two before he breaks it), Healing spells that he will actually use as a thrall (Healing, Fast Healing, Grand Healing), Teleportation (unique to Orchendor and he's invincible while the purple aura is still up), Vile Vapor (does around 40pt of damage and looks like it might poison too), Some type of mage armor (probably Oakflesh or Stoneflesh), Healing (which he will actually use while thralled), Sparks (does 8 points of damage a second), Flames (does 8 points of damage a second). Usually these permanent thralls that were hostile towards the player, go back to their original area in which they spawned. It's a pity that there isn't permanent versions of all of the minions that you can summon. Thralls constantly get stuck on small objects too. The Thrall version uses Dual-casted Flames in place of this. That's right, the Flames spell that does a meager 8 points of damage. Also, I'm not perfect, so if you see something wrong, correct me. Cicero apparently will not level up past 40 as a thrall (provided that he never gets above 40 in the first place), so you should be able to keep him around even if he dies in combat. So if you always want to use a Master Trainer, you won't have to pay any more gold than if you used a Common Trainer. You'll have to go all the way through the dungeon and exit back into Skyrim, at which point you'll be high atop a mountain. You'll be able to take his clothes at that particular time, and he'll actually generate new clothes once he moves to a new cell (as will anyone else including thralls, see Equipping Your Thrall). All Atronach thrall spells can be bought from Phinis Gestor at the College in Winterhold, with the exception of the Flame thrall, which is automatically received from Phinis for completing the Conjuration Ritual side-quest. He prefers to stay at medium range when fighting enemies and only uses the Flames spell for his choice of attack. What it does mean though, is that your low level thrall will be merely a punching bag and more than likely, you'll have to pick them up after some battles. Once the counter hits four, the next time you enter Windhelm between the hours of 7 PM and 7 AM, Susanna will have been slain and strewn across the street and the quest will start after talking to the nearby guard. I've witnessed a Forsworn Briarheart walking down the street from my house, friendly to everyone. On the flip side, this poses a predicament for the player that wants to keep multiple thralls, as leaving a thrall unattended for just a short period of time will see in their total departure from the game. This alone is a great benefit that Atronach thralls have over dead thralls. Malkoran is found in Kilkreath Ruins, which you can find by going West along the road from Solitude. She is usually found in Castle Dour in Solitude, but if you side with the Imperials for the Civil War quest line, you will also find her in various Imperial camps throughout the quest line. Dual-casted Flames - Close range attack that does 8 points of damage per second. His two companions Vidgrod and Raen lay near him, but don't appear to be permanent corpses, as they've since disappeared from my game while Agrius remains (even after a lengthy 11 day intentional absence). Take note of the box when you purchase a level in a skill. This is because he is level locked at level 25. Just remember to pick them back up before you leave, especially if they aren't permanent. What? While the general scope of this FAQ is about humanoid thralls, I think these too are worth commenting on. The same goes for Zombies and thralls, you'll need to be near an enemy to receive the experience. This means they can use a Bow for long ranged attacks and then a Sword when the enemy gets close. This mod works great with Phenderix Magic World. I normally wouldn't go out of my way to mention exploits regarding normal NPC's, but Cicero is such a unique case with unique items. In these next few sections, I'll go over potential strengths and overall detriments of these thralls. This has never happened to me before and the aggro was so instantaneous with the activating of the button. First up is the Flame Thrall, which is the first thrall that the player will have access to in the game. From what I can tell, Atronachs do not have, or rather, have no need of magicka or stamina. This allows players to use any NPC that is dead, provided that the thrall is at a level low enough to be thralled. It doesn't matter what you do to them, your thrall will still use these weapons. Melee Strike - Used by the Atronach version. These are the only damaging elements you can put on your weapons, these are the only damage reducing enchantments you can put on your gear (not counting the general magic reduction), these are the only magical attacks enemies will use, and these are the only damaging magical attacks that you can use. I said it. You can visit the Hall of the Dead to see the NPC's coffin or urn (you don't have to, but if you want to make extra sure, you can), just to make sure the process worked correctly. An animation. (Needs to be confirmed). These will generally be less desired than permanent thralls because they don't stick around, but they can be interesting nonetheless. Found in Angarvunde which is found: Starting from Riften, Directly West from Riften is Goldenglow Estate. I actually had my Dead Thrall Vampire tell me that. The Flame thrall also gets a noticeable boost to it's health compared to the Flame Atronach. What I do when I find someone I wanna Thrall is enable Better Dead Thralls then cast the spell, save, disable the mod, kill the Thrall, then ressurect again. Moans. She won't win too many battles with her max 1 HP, but she knows how to sit in a chair, in your house, very well. if you kill malkoran and then kill his shade, thrall him, summon something else so he dies his shade appears again. The Atronach version (the 60 second spell) gets around a 65% increase to its max health, while the Thrall version only gets around a 33% increase. Thirdly, NPCs that spawn with items that are already enchanted (except for Mages' robes), tend to never equip them. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. You want to watch things die? Many players, including myself, like thralling NPCs. Hopefully you enjoyed reading the guide as much as I enjoyed making it. Hidden cells and their contents are a funny thing, especially in Bethesda games. But on the other hand, you won't have to worry about your thrall possibly decapitating NPCs, as headless NPCs cannot be resurrected. At which point, the player is forced to walk backwards to kite the Frost Atronach from the said small space. To me, it seems to vary by what type of armor your follower is wearing. This category remarked as "permanent", means just that. The items that you can enchant with Conjuration reductions are: A Grand Soul gem filled with a Grand Soul is preferable, but these can be expensive or hard to get at a low level. (If you're on the PC and you can test out his health, magicka, and stamina when he is at level 25, please PM me.). Gatharian will do just that, but unfortunately does not respawn the potions that make you appear as a ghost. On Master difficulty, you deal half as much damage as you do on Adept. If you are confused as to why I listed five pieces as being able to worn at the same time, here's why: For whatever reason (a bug obviously and still works as of patch 1.9), the game allows you to equip certain Helmets and a Circlet at the same time. PC PlayStation 3 PC PlayStation 4. There are a total of Five unique books, with multiple locations, that will increase the players level of Conjuration by one. When you purchase a skill increase, the bar fills up, the skill increases by one, and the bar then resets at the beginning. This is where this guide comes in handy. So how do you acquire the book without interacting with it? What? It is worth mentioning though that his attacks drain enemies stamina by the same damage that is done to their health. Wait at least 11 days (although 30 days is preferable). :(. Once on the other side, the bug will be in effect. Thralls are indicated by quest markers. Enemy on fire takes an additional 10% of damage per second. So does that mean you shouldn't use any NPC below level 40? Firebolt - Missile attack that does 20 points of damage. Once you reach level 30, a Boethiah Cultist will attack you. As soon as I walked into my house, I was mauled by a Bandit Chief and a Bandit Marauder. to a mudcrab only to be cut down in one swipe by its tiny little pincer. You can upgrade these weapons by using a grindstone and then you can enchant them too. He is already dead when you come across him. These thralls lack permanency, but make up for it by having a unique quality. "Keep your distance, that spell looks dangerous." Nothing terribly unique about him. This is the second quest in the Dark Brotherhood quest line. Simplicity at it's finest. If your comment is longer than 140 characters or if you would like me to directly respond to you, you can PM me. He stays around for 30 days and since the player will more than likely never be away from the thrall that long, he is for all intents and purposes, what I consider permanent. I'm a huge advocate for people playing the game in a way that they will enjoy. The player is asked to kill one of the NPCs (or all). That's just the way it is. Master trainers can level your skill from 1 - 90. If you talk to your follower, and ask them to do something for you, a cursor will appear on the screen. The thrall gets additional health, an additional attack, and a fortified healing buff. This can range from being exceptionally powerful, unique dialog while thralled, the ability to dance, an absurd amount of health, and much more. He keeps saying we dont use magic here, new blood and attacking me. And just like your followers, they'll constantly choose staves over weapons, so if you have Staves on your thrall, be mindful of that. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Xbox 360 . If you see masterpug53 around on the boards, be sure to give him a shout out and tell him what an awesome job he's done. Your thralls will equip any weapon that you give them and also make full use out of it. Thralls will not and cannot Sneak or be told to Wait. But I digress. Some, however, might equip a set of Leather gear. I started a new Fallout 4 game a while back and used the "moveto" command to see what was happening with various people/places before the appropriate quest lines … With Dead Thrall, their body will go lifeless and just fall to the ground. It just has to come directly off of their body. Summon it again to receive the Sigil Stone. The problem is, whenever you go through a long loading screen, the bug takes over once again. THE. You'll get 1 point every time you enter Windhelm or any of the immediate surrounding areas (like the stables or nearby farms). A higher setting? A Falmer Helmet or Pentius Oculatus Helmet may be a bit out of the way to get, but if you want it, your option is there. Found in Harmugstahl, which is located North of Karthwasten (which is East of Markarth). I will still read any PM you send me and I will still archive anymore information that you send me. Thank you very much for taking the time to read my FAQ. If you want the spell to cost less magicka, you can do a little bit of extra footwork before you start casting Soul Trap. This entire section is written with patch 1.9 in mind. Uninstal mod. A Bard at the Candlehearth Hall in Windhelm. If only she continued to sing me her lovely songs after she was thralled while I'm enthralled. ALL. The Frost Atronach does not possess this ability. I say intended because, there is an unfortunate bug holding this version back. That means no moaning. NPCs that are level locked at a low level, aren't very effective in battle. Return to the cell. If you like using any of the thralls, don't let me dissuade you from using a specific one because it's not the "statistically" best thrall. If you've played around with your dead thrall a while, you've probably already grown a little tired of these two phrases. Huge thanks to masterpug53 for figuring this out. You just may end up summoning a new one pretty often though. (Master) Dead Thrall would be lvl 41+ In this scenario if you use Raise Zombie on a level 15 enemy it wont work, to raise that enemy you would need to use Reanimate Corpse. Dark Souls (which provides thralls with 100 more health) can help, but since he never levels up, don't expect too much out of him. It does not receive the 2.2x damage bonus, which would put it at 17 damage a second, which is unfortunate. Dead thrall at higher levels I'm at level 71 doing the College of Winterhold quest line I want to dead thrall either Ancano/or Estormo but not sure if this will work on them at my character level, I have 100 conjuration and I'm playing vanilla Skyrim on 360 no mods or console commands. I haven't tested it yet, so take it for what you will. She'll no longer sell anything if you thrall her though. Well, you should at least be excited. I really do appreciate all of the kind words that I've received. Aug 20, 2019 @ 1:41pm missing dead thrall how can you find your dead thrall? From there, go directly West on the road and you will hit Rimerock Burrow (it's to the West of Lost Echo Cave). He's essentially a Bandit Chief with a unique name, as he has the usual plate armor and sometimes a plate helmet equipped. The final category deals with thralls that last longer than 24 hours but are not entirely permanent. Sometimes they do a good job of following you (especially if you stick to roads). If you hold down the Interact button on them (The "A" button for 360, the "X" button for PS3, etc.) Most cells reset after 10 or 30 days, depending on how it was programmed. She's found in Angi's Camp which is located directly South of Falkreath in the mountains. You could also take note of how far along you have progress in the current level in the Skills menu, use a trainer, and then go back into your Skills menu. As of patch 1.3 though, most bodies disappear after one day, so revisiting your house within every 24 hours can become quite difficult. the king in rags is thrallable? Unfortunate, I know. Reload your save. UESP claims that the Frost Thrall's Frost Cloak does 10 points a second, but as of 1.6, it does not. I decided to test if Blades followers equipment would work differently. Although I'm not sure if this is an isolated incident on my end. When the Flame thrall is at range, it relies on Firebolt to do damage. However, I think the dispensable nature of Atronach thralls counteracts the lack killing power and, generally, low health pool. Ghunzul (P) will be permanent until the quest associated with him is completed, at which point he change to a 24 hour corpse. The Thrall does not have to be physically with you at this point for this to work, and more than likely it won't be since they are transported to the stables when you fast travel. Okay. Casting Dead Thrall raises the dead body of most humanoid beings (Men, Mer, and Beastfolk) whose level is 40 or under to \"permanently\" fight alongside the Dragonborn. He makes a better than expected thrall, as he gets a wide selection of spells: He also appears to be able to dual cast any Destruction spell for 2.2x the damage. It appears that at least one of his attacks has a chance to do extra damage, which isn't necessarily noted by anything particular that I could tell. Finally, you may have also notice that Cicero has unique clothes. So far, it appears that he is only killable if you side with the Imperials, as he is otherwise marked essential. And just to be clear, you need to be on Solstheim to get the first two random encounters to trigger, and once you complete the quest New Debt, Mogrul's thugs will no longer spawn. The main difference here is the amount of time the spells raise corpses for. Maybe this video can help though, Skyrim tips, tricks, secrets, and more at https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/skyrim/. That's all there is to it. It breaks the flow of the game and can force a low level player to do a lot of waiting to regenerate magicka. I hope you enjoyed this FAQ and got some helpful information out of it. But the skill increases from a trainer are also relatively cheap. She relies on her Flames spell for damage, so she'll just kind of be, "there", instead of killing stuff. Before Thralling her, make sure to talk to her and complete the small unmarked side quest for a total of 6 level increases to Archery. Over. These bodies can stay an upwards of 7 or 8 days before disappearing (and even 29 days in some cases! Mods I … With a max level of 4 and a whopping 85 health, he won't last long. Currently, I have listed in the sections below, all of the thralls that I know are permanent. I can tell you, however, she is not above the level of 40. Some disappear after 24 hours, some are permanent. Conjuration is leveled depending on what spell you use. I have not noticed a unique effect from the permanent version compared to the 60 second version, like that of the Flame thrall's flames spell. He spends almost all of his time at the Palace of the Kings in Windhelm. In keeping with the theme from above, keeping a thrall may try your patience, since you will continually hear these sentences. Some are set to be higher. The 8pts of damage a second spell. An Imperial Soldier and General of the Imperial Army, he's usually found in Castle Dour in Solitude. I mean...Nazir. You will hear no groans and no moans. Now, when the Atronachs are compared to dead thralls, well, there really isn't much comparison if you have beefed up your thralls with armor and weapons and if you have picked a strong human to thrall. She is another character that is basically a named Bandit Chief. She can also be found in Riften if the player tells Bassianus that her parents are supportive of their relationship during the quest The Book of Love, which is started by talking to Dinya Balu in the Temple of Mara in city of Riften. Honestly, I can't say if one is better than the other, since I think there is no right or wrong way to play and it really just depends on the players preference. Particularly, I've never witnessed them unable to cast magick, so I'm assuming that magick is treated more so as an ability rather than magick that requires magicka, at least with regards to how magicka is treated with the player or other NPCs. Now your ears won't bleed, and you won't go on a killing spree. Flustig. Sure to start a conversation at a party. My goal is to gather as much information regarding the aspects of thralling, and contain it in one simple guide. Likely, it's just one flames spell being cast but the animation was done is a way that makes it look like two are going. Another potential problem is that if you decide to spare him, he is then marked essential and cannot be killed. This is more than likely an oversight and an unintended function, but it is currently part of the game (still as of 1.9). If you level 53 Vampire dies though, you will be unable to re-thrall him. The player is asked to kill one of the NPCs (or all). I'm going to refer to it as a critical, but it's really not in the same sense as a critical for the player (as those do paltry sums of damage). Remember, that if you want your thrall to wear it, they have to spawn with it and it has to be that exact piece. This also applies to the dual casting of the Flames spell mentioned earlier, but to a lesser effect as it also adds 10% additional damage over the period of a second, but at lesser damage because of the difference in damage between the Flames spell and the Firebolt spell. Each NPC also has a specific rate at which they level up compared to your character's level. There's also a neat little trick you can do to quickly ask your follower to do something. Not the most powerful of the permanent mages, but he's definitely up there. He's a bit more deceptive than one initially perceives, as, yes, he does stop leveling at 28, but he also has relatively high HP for his level. First, not all NPCs always spawn the same amount of armor. Orchendor is a Bosmer spellsword found at Bthardamz Arcanex.He is a former servant of Peryite and was asked by the Daedric prince to gather the survivors of a plague attack on Mundus and lead them to Bthardamz.Inside the Dwemer ruin, Orchendor quickly lost his way and made a personal army out of the Afflicted.Because of his betrayal, Peryite will ask you to kill Orchendor during the related quest. The Only Cure quest can be received from Kesh at the Shrine to Peyrite. It also tends to stay at range when fighting enemies which helps it retain its, otherwise paltry, health. Found in the College of Winterhold, usually in the Hall of Attainment. So what is Grave Robbing? Why would you make him a thrall? So when you are in a dungeon, you may have to wait a while for your thralls to catch up so you can jump the enemies in the next room. You receive this quest from Astrid of the Dark Brotherhood early in the Dark Brotherhood quest line. 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