The Nomad-L can be directly threaded onto the end of a rifle with a 5/8×24″ pitch (as I did in this review) or attached using Dead Air’s KeyMo attachment system. Along with the sound charts below, The author is a military contractor who enjoys conducting independent firearms research and reloading. The 17-4 stainless steel used for the baffles is a precipitation-hardened steel designed to provide corrosion resistance and high strength at temperatures up to 600 degrees Fahrenheit. Suppressors. Obviously AAC will save me some money but Dead Air’s locking system appears to be superior, especially if you plan to slide it under a rail. That’s why I’ve included under each video a All Dead Air products are covered by a warranty against all manufacturing defects and damages caused by the normal use of this product. Third, you can see on the 6.5 Creedmoor chart that all It is full-auto rated for 5.56 NATO, but users shouldn’t feed more than five or six mags through without letting the can cool off. You just can’t beat physics. The aesthetics and engineering with these two mounts is second to none. The first silencer that I tested was the 7.62 Sandman-L, the "L" stands for long. At 9" and 21.8 oz it felt really good and the fact that it is rated for up to .300 Win Mag just makes it better. The Sandman-L ™ uses our industry best QD system for fool-proof quick one handed mounting. Sandman-K. Sure, those ratcheting teeth aren’t as sharp as they used to be, but they still work and show no signs of giving up. like the “no can” signature. there are any sound engineers reading, let us know your thoughts in the I experienced no discomfort in either ear, and I couldn’t discern a first-shot pop. Joined Oct 12, 2020 Messages 16. No doubt the Sandman-S Suppressor isn’t as small as the K, but that could be an advantage in some circumstances. Showdown: Pocket Rocket v. PMR30 — Full Review, SIG Sibling Showdown: The MCX Rattler versus MPX…, Air Power for the Apocalypse: SIG Air's ASP 20 Break…, Building My First Belt-Fed: Semi-Auto RPD Build Part 3, Vision Problems & Solutions for Shooters: What To Do When It’s Hard to See The Sights. During the last three years, I’ve used the Sandman-S on a wide variety of hosts. But the patterns I see align in several ways Plus, Dead Air puts their money where their mouth is. That’s the standard I used when I compared the Nomad L, Nomad 30, Dead Air Sandman-L, and SilencerCo Hybrid across .308 WIN, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Blackout. Second, the 308 Win. Which muzzle brake was installed on the Hybrid for testing – the 30 or 46 caliber brake? The ones I’m looking at are the sandman S/L from Dead Air and the SD/SD-N from AAC. pick up significant differences. to bring all volumes to within a certain decibel range—they make loud sounds they were all uncomfortable to shoot, and the signature of each can is the most Dead Air Sandman-S: 10,000 Rounds Later. Absolutely. The L model (review forthcoming), shows the telltale color changes to indicate that it had been run hard, and Torrey indicated that the S model hadn’t been babied either. That means your Nomad-L can have the same robust and proven quick attachment method as our Sandman models, giving you the best of both worlds. Izhevsk54r. And the Sandman-L at 8.9″ is fantastic. I shot and recorded rounds from a bolt action rifle chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, an AR-15 chambered in .308 WIN, and another AR-15 chambered in 300 Blackout. Dead Air at the muzzle - 136.1 db, 136.1 db, 140.8 db, 135.8 db, 137.6 db (137.3 db avg) Dead Air at the ear - 150.1 db, 149.6 db, 147.2 db, 148.3 db, … No seizing, and minimal point of impact shifts. The Dead Air Nomad-L is a classic spin off from the Nomad-30. Also, the noise produced by these accessories is far less noticeable. quieter and quiet sounds louder. He told me that they compared the Nomad L against the much * This is the best performing and quietest 7.62 suppressor on the market. Leonxxxi Replies: 9 Views: 179 1/15/2021 8:11 PM Quintin SureFire SOCOM Flash Hider. With its direct thread attachment and titanium tube it’s the perfect fit for your precision rifle, or even for dedicated use under your AR pattern rifle forend. Buzz, Dead Air Sandman TI Sandman-TI Looking for ultimate silence from your precision rifle? And that's what it is at 6.8 inches in length with a weight of 17.3 oz. It wasn’t unpleasant, but not as comfortable as the L. The Dead Air Sandman-L is quieter than mid-size 30 caliber rifle silencers, like the Trash Panda and Sandman-S, but is predicted to exhibit significantly higher back pressure. First, I couldn’t discern any differences between the cans The exterior is finished in Cerakote ® for ultimate durability. It’s important to note that just because a shot report feels They’ve followed the release of their popular Nomad 30 with an even quieter suppressor designed for big calibers and hard use—the Nomad L. With the help of Fossil Pointe Sporting Grounds in Decatur, Texas, I had a chance to compare the Nomad L to three other suppressors: the Nomad 30, the Dead Air Sandman-L, and the SilencerCo Hybrid. suppressors, once you enter the wonderful world of quiet shooting, there’s no About the author: The QD system is design perfection. But we don’t use suppressors because we like The S suppressors provide an outstanding balance between K and L models. The sweet spot the original Nomad delivered got sweeter, and about 2 inches longer than its sibling. The Nomad L produced a sharp crack, but I found the sound to be manageable for one or two rounds in succession. were several people on the range that day and most couldn’t tell any difference while shooting supersonic rounds from the 300 Blackout. What is the difference between sandman k vs s vs l vs ti. To stand up to the violent conditions inside a suppressor, the baffles are made from Stellite and welded into a … I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not a sound engineer (if On any of these platforms, it works incredibly well. Click here to check out the Nomad-L for yourself. The QD-Mount is inevitably what sold me on a Sandman. The Nomad 30 was louder and less comfortable to shoot than Silencers, Dead Air Suppressors - Nomad vs Sandman. comfortable doesn’t mean it’s not causing hearing damage, especially over the Turn the silencer five degrees clockwise to engage the locking lugs. But all four were so similar, that you may well get different There’s nothing like a quality suppressor on a bolt gun. Note: It will only go on one way, minimizing point of impact shift. When should you consider buying the Dead Air Sandman-S Suppressor? This is no knock on Dead Air or the Sandman-K. If a brake wasn’t used, which end cap? ), and the microphone I was using may not be sophisticated enough to Supressed Replies: 0 Views: 34 1/15/2021 7:55 PM B&T VP9 (now station six) available for order. Even though the Nomad-L is Dead Air’s newest release, we did get a preview of its performance last year thanks to Discreet Ballistics hosting a sound metering day incorporating nearly two dozen manufacturers makes and models of 30 caliber suppressors. The K has the class leading solid weld Stellite ® baffle core and detachable front cap, just like the rest of our Sandman Series. 30 in fourth. Dead Air would wait until later to release their three prong flash hider Looking to eliminate the pinging sound associated with other 3-prong flash hiders of the time, their design featured cut-outs on the tines. Founded by suppressor godfather Mike Pappas, Dead Air has made a name for itself constructing high-quality, super-quiet cans right here in the USA. more effectively than the other cans I tested. the sound in the same way a wine expert likes the taste of wine—we use them to Dead Air Sandman-S The "S" is for short. Made and constructed from the same materials as the “S” version, the “L” is only 8.9 inches in length, but offers a true sound reduction of 31dB firing standard 7.62 ammunition. signature more than any of the others. Looking into getting a do it all suppressor I can use for my AR's as well as a 300 win mag hunting rifle. The L isn’t the cheapest suppressor on the market, but nothing beats its performance and durability—even more expensive cans. One hand removal in just seconds. Dead Air Sandman silencers have no barrel length restrictions, they are full auto rated, have interchangeable end caps, and are rated up to .300 Win Mag. Sam works at Fossil Pointe, and he’s my go-to guy for suppressor info. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. For the person demanding absolute sound reduction, look no further than the Dead Air Sandman-L. comments! Not a huge surprise when you consider the burnt off Cerakote in the above photos. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. Nomad 30. Most commonly being the above Daniel Defense V7 in 300 Blackout and Daniel Defense MK18 SBR. I wrote “hearing safe-ish” in my notes about the Nomad 30. ... DEAD AIR ARMAMENT - SANDMAN-S RIFLE SUPPRESSOR. Shooting this caliber in the AR-15 SBR platform was the least comfortable of the three calibers I tested. Of course, the Sandman-S at 6.8″ would perform better. The difference is in the lengths, the “S” which is 6.8 inches long (top of the article”in the white”) and the the “L” which adds two more inches (above in the usual black). Is he going to rise from the ashes after what happened with SilencerCo? All four suppressors were comparable, and all produced similar ear ringing. The Sandman can be securely installed or removed with one hand in one step. No wobble, no seizing, no … To help you see, hear, and visualize what I heard, I also took video of every can and caliber and threw the sounds in an audio editor to produce an audio signature. Located on top of the brake are an additional three ports that aid in reducing muzzle climb. protect our hearing. Does this suppressor allow me to shoot without experiencing discomfort? I shot it on a 10.5" 300blk subsonic ammo and it sounded as you would expect, quiet. None performed poorly, to my ears, but the L produced the least discomfort. Dead Air ranks at or near the top of any list of suppressor companies. These would eliminate a phenomenon commonly this is referred to as the “tuning fork effect”. I see length I see cost I see weight. The QD system is design perfection. quiets the sound more quickly than the other three. You can see in that chart that the Hybrid signature resembles the “no can” He escaped that statist paradise at a young age, married a sixth-generation Texan, and currently lives in Waco. The Sandman-K on the 10.3″ BLK was certainly not hearing-safe by any means – even with subsonic loads. Dead Air Sandman S. Leonxxxi. Feature Articles, I have a Saker 762, Sandman S, and Socom 762 mini 2 (very similar length/weight to Sandman S). with my impression of each can. difference in the video. Microphones are designed You may not be familiar with Thunderbeast, but suffice it to say, anything that can stand toe-to-toe with one of their products is a winner. Joined: Nov 3, 2012 Messages: 378 Location: FL. The Sandman-S, shorter than its Sandman-L sibling, features the same stainless steel and stellite construction with a … It was clear in only a matter of minutes that these would be a game changer for the quick detach silencer market. can, but the Hybrid was by far the least comfortable and the L was the most. going back. Anyone have experience with these? The Nomad L suppressed the .308 Win. The silencers are made with .30 caliber guns in mind, each rated up to .300 Win Mag but just as easily at home on a 300 BLK gun. That’s the standard I used when I compared the Nomad L, Nomad 30, Dead Air Sandman-L, and SilencerCo Hybrid across .308 WIN, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Blackout. Three years ago a batch of Dead Air Sandman silencers arrived at my local gun shop. I The 8.9 inch long Sandman-L offers a sound reduction of 31dB with standard 7.62 ammunition. The Nomad-L is designed and manufactured in Georgia, and uses a tubeless design with 17-4 stainless steel laser-welded baffles. So first off, a nomad, keymo adapter, and flash hider will run me about 1100 before stamp it seems, and a sandman S is about 300 cheaper with flash hider. between the two, including while shooting the 7mm Mag. Of the people who said Feb 18, 2015 #1. One hand removal in just seconds. Alright industry folks in the know, give me the low down. My question is should I fit my uppers with flash hiders or muzzle breaks? It will be for a … With family in Canada, he’s seen first hand how quickly the right to self-defense can be stripped from law-abiding citizens. Would I buy it again if given the chance? The end cap is constructed from Grade 5 titanium, and the rear mount is nitrided stainless steel. Dead Air Sandman-S… Reviews; Write a Review; INTRODUCING THE SANDMAN-K. Even after all that high-temp abuse, the QD-Mounting system refuses to give up. Feb 18, 2015 #1. Jordan Michaels has been reviewing firearm-related products for over four years and enjoying them for much longer. Sharing all of the features of the Sandman-S and Sandman-L, while adding only 2.9″ to your muzzle.. I find it interesting, but it may not mean much to someone with more technical sound training. At launch, the Sandman-S shipped with a muzzle-brake based mount. The warranty doesn’t cover things like abuse, neglect, and misuse, but they’ll replace your can for any other reason. Line up the indexing mark on the silencer with the vertical groove on the mount to slide the silencer on. The Nomad L on a Howa 1500 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor was the most pleasant supersonic round I fired all day. I didn’t notice any difference among the cans tested—in all four, the action produced the loudest sound. SilencerCo Saker vs Dead Air Sandman S. Thread starter TJ208; Start date Feb 18, 2015; TJ208 Member. In an effort to satisfy more requirements, Dead Air has introduced the fourth (and shortest) member of the Sandman family - The Sandman K. The K model takes the mounting system and user swappable end caps used on the longer S and L models and lops an extra inch and a half off the end of the S … Win-win. The Nomad L consistently suppressed sound as well as or better than any of the other cans (usually better). But even though the Nomad L may not have been technically hearing safe, it felt that way. I was just curious how it would perform on this configuration. perfect on a hunting rig when you only plan to take one or two shots. That mount is why I purchased the Sandman S. I'm very pleased with the Sandman. The Sandman Ti™ is your huckleberry. The muzzle devices themselves are no slouch either. If you are already a fan of Dead Air muzzle devices, you’ll be happy to know the Nomad-L is Key-Mo compatible. Over time this is something I’ve grown very fond of, considering the other suppressors I’ve used. I wasn’t able to bring any magnum rifles on this trip, but I did speak with Sam Scalco. With now four distinct models—S, L, K, and TI—of their Sandman silencer, the Dead Air crew covers all bases in the 7.62mm rifle can classification. To help you see, hear, and visualize what I heard, I also took video of every can and caliber and threw the sounds in an audio editor to produce an audio signature. Made in the U.S.A. 100-400-002WB Sandman-S 30 Caliber QD Rifle Suppressor. they could tell a difference, some picked the Nomad L as quieter, and some Did Mike Pappas hit a home run with the Sandman series. There Using a two-stage taper lock the mount is pure engineering genius. I hope they’ll give you a clearer picture of the experience. I switched from the Trifecta to ASR, and finally to Dead Air's key-mo mount, which is fantastic. Something that’s not commonly seen among high round count QD silencers. Using suppressors was obviously a big step up from shooting unsuppressed, but even with the Nomad L, I found that my right ear rung with the report. For the Sandman-S version, think of this song because both are short and sweet. do a poor job representing the in-person experience. Given their all-steel construction, the Sandman series is built like a tank. suppressors do a nice job modifying the “no can” signature, but the Hybrid Sorry, the Sandman isn’t built for flight, but it is built to fight. They both produced a similar level of discomfort as the The Nomad-L can be used with E-Brake as well, which reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Surprising is how well this suppressor has fared over the years. summary of the notes I took while shooting. Whether you call them silencers, cans, gun mufflers, or did experience some discomfort in my left ear, and you can actually hear a dull thud I described above. We also take some comparison shots with the Sandman K. Follow Us! At the time, the longer Nomad was referred to as the Nomax. Dead air sandman k vs s vs l vs ti. I plan on using the suppressor most of the time, but not always. . While looking over my shooting logs last month I realized that the Sandman-S had crossed over the 10,000 round mark. Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by theboyscout, Nov 8, 2019. theboyscout Member. shooting the Hybrid. The Sandman-S is the shorter version suppressor in Dead Air’s notorious Sandman 7.62mm silencer line. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. re: Silencerco Omega Vs dead air sandman S Posted by boatless2 on 10/2/17 at 12:59 am to Ice Cream Sammich Well after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, and talking with y’all, the dead air was consistently louder decibel wise than the thunder beast, silencerco omega, … Testing the Sandman L on a .308 Savage and an AR15. The Saker is heavy, but not overly long. more expensive Thunderbeast Ultra9 with 308 Win., 6.5 Creedmoor, and 7mm Mag. Mfr Part: SMS762. The current market for QD mounts was plagued by exposed threads or secondary locking collars that instantly seemed sub-par. Continue to turn the silencer clockwise to ratchet down the silencer tight against the locking collar. course of an entire range session. Incorporating two forward facing gas ports designed to disrupt the concussive blast muzzle-brakes notoriously provide. I can appreciate their well-trained palates, but when it comes to suppressors, I’m only interested in one thing: comfort. the L and the Sandman. answers from different shooters. Cant really find anything on google directly comparing these 2, only the nomad and the L or Ti. Turn the silencer five degrees clockwise to engage the locking lugs. the Hybrid landed somewhere closer to the Nomad 30. The first thing to know about suppressor videos is that they Next post: Building My First Belt-Fed: Semi-Auto RPD Build Part 3, Previous post: Vision Problems & Solutions for Shooters: What To Do When It’s Hard to See The Sights. The Sandman-S delivers performance in a small package. Six lugs (three primary and three safety) on the silencer attach it to the host weapon. The photo shows the Hybrid with a muzzle brake. I’d want to wear hearing This could account for the Related Tags: This two-stage thread-less mount (now known simply as KyMo) is a game changer. Designed with the intent to go anywhere you go, the Dead Air Nomad-L offers an option for the everyday user who prefers added quiet. was also uncomfortable through each I didn’t use a decibel meter because smart people tell me it’s doesn’t tell you whether a sound is “hearing safe” or not. Eagle-eyed readers might point out that I didn’t test the Nomad L with a Big Boy™ cartridge. That performance starts with the design and manufacturing process. As I mentioned above, Dead Air Sandman-S: 10,000 Rounds Later. There really wasn’t another QD (quick-detach) silencer that had all these features. Supressed. Article inquiries and suggestions are welcome at austinjrex at gmail.com. Any input is greatly appreciated since I’m new to this market. Plus, the Nomad-L is about $200 cheaper. Dead Air Nomad vs Sandman S? Follow him on Instagram @bornforgoodluck and email him at jordan@gunsamerica.com. If God had a gun to my head, I think I’d still give the nod Now you don’t have to worry about that friend who may or may not have engaged the locking collar. Last year, I had the opportunity to hit the range with the guys from Capitol Armory to do a formal review of the Dead Air Quick Detach line of silencers. protection if I planned to shoot for an extended session, but the L would be None were as comfortable as the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is due partly to the cartridge and partly to the platform. Rating: Up to 300 Norma Mag: 22 HORNET, 5.56 NATO, 22-250, 204 RUGER, .243 WIN, 6.5 CREEDMOOR, 6.8 SPC, 7.62 NATO, 7MM REM MAG, .30-06 SPRINGFIELD, 300 BLACKOUT, 300 WIN, NORMA MAG, ULTRA MAGDIRECT THREAD ONLY: 5.45X39MM, 7.62X39MM W/ CONCENTRIC BARREL, 7.62X54R W/ CONCENTRIC BARREL. Fossil Pointe supplied me with the suppressors I used for this test, and Sam is constantly shooting and testing all the most popular suppressors on the market. Continue to turn the silencer clockwise to ratchet down the silencer tight against the locking collar. Was looking into the Dead Air Nomad and Sandman. Posted November 28, 2018 in Editorial, Guns & Gear, NFA / Suppressors / Class III by Austin R with No CommentsTags: Dead Air Armament, rifle, sandman, silencer, suppressor. I found the Sandman to be most comparable to the L, and picked the Thunderbeast Ultra 9. to the L, with the Hybrid coming in second, the Sandman in third, and the Nomad On top of that, the pitch or tone when fired is much lower than that of other silencers on the market. I noticed a sharper pop while shooting the Sandman, and duller thud while Thread starter tgoff; Start date Oct 26, 2020; Oct 26, 2020 #1 T. tgoff Junior Member. 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